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		<title>By: Peter K's Blog: Oracle Blog Tag is dead (or should be pretty soon)</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2597</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter K's Blog: Oracle Blog Tag is dead (or should be pretty soon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] to see how a simple thing like this can become such a sticky point for a number of folks. Jake M obviously didn&#039;t expect such a reaction to starting the blog tag.For me, it&#039;s an exercise in team [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] to see how a simple thing like this can become such a sticky point for a number of folks. Jake M obviously didn&#8217;t expect such a reaction to starting the blog tag.For me, it&#8217;s an exercise in team [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: open letter to Howard Rogers &#187; Andy C</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2585</link>
		<dc:creator>open letter to Howard Rogers &#187; Andy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I occasionally commented myself and you normally responded. Not, I suspect to get the last word but you genuinely care. A lot. I admired your passion and felt somehow inadequate that I had spontaneously chosen to respond to what some Oracle bloggers (unwisely IMHO) had termed a &#8216;chain letter&#8216;, &#8216;spam&#8216; or a &#8216;game&#8216;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I occasionally commented myself and you normally responded. Not, I suspect to get the last word but you genuinely care. A lot. I admired your passion and felt somehow inadequate that I had spontaneously chosen to respond to what some Oracle bloggers (unwisely IMHO) had termed a &#8216;chain letter&#8216;, &#8216;spam&#8216; or a &#8216;game&#8216;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2583</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Meg: Thanks, again.

@David: My guess is you still yell at the TV, especially when &quot;football&quot; isn&#039;t going well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Meg: Thanks, again.</p>
<p>@David: My guess is you still yell at the TV, especially when &#8220;football&#8221; isn&#8217;t going well.</p>
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		<title>By: David Haimes</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2580</link>
		<dc:creator>David Haimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake

When I was at College I lived with a guy who used to sit in the corner of the room while a particular TV show was on(I can&#039;t even remember what the show was now) and literally yell abuse at the TV at the top of his voice.  I suggested that maybe he shouldn&#039;t watch it seeing as he clearly hated what he saw and a less stessfull activity might be better.  &#039;No way&#039; he said, &#039;this is the favourite part of my week&#039;.

On the web, we post comments or blog instead of yelling at the TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake</p>
<p>When I was at College I lived with a guy who used to sit in the corner of the room while a particular TV show was on(I can&#8217;t even remember what the show was now) and literally yell abuse at the TV at the top of his voice.  I suggested that maybe he shouldn&#8217;t watch it seeing as he clearly hated what he saw and a less stessfull activity might be better.  &#8216;No way&#8217; he said, &#8216;this is the favourite part of my week&#8217;.</p>
<p>On the web, we post comments or blog instead of yelling at the TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Ora-Click-Clack Weekly Review #1 &#124; .:MattTopper.com:.</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2562</link>
		<dc:creator>Ora-Click-Clack Weekly Review #1 &#124; .:MattTopper.com:.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This doesn&#8217;t even cover all of them, because of the backlash Jake felt it necessary to post a little about why he started the whole thread. I tend to agree with Jake that its all in good fun [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This doesn&#8217;t even cover all of them, because of the backlash Jake felt it necessary to post a little about why he started the whole thread. I tend to agree with Jake that its all in good fun [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2561</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, my comment on 8 things post still holds.  You rock.  
- M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, my comment on 8 things post still holds.  You rock.<br />
- M</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2554</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marius: Good point, why don&#039;t you have a blog? 

@Chris: Thanks. I guess reports of the Interweb&#039;s demise were exaggerated. I feel the same way about nuggets of information. We don&#039;t gather much in person, so it&#039;s nice to build some camaraderie virtually. I think the games are over for a while, at least for me :)

@Steven: I&#039;m curious to see your hatemail now. Sounds interesting. I was taken aback by the vitriol, but what can you do? Thanks.

@Robbert: I hope this isn&#039;t a bad thing for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marius: Good point, why don&#8217;t you have a blog? </p>
<p>@Chris: Thanks. I guess reports of the Interweb&#8217;s demise were exaggerated. I feel the same way about nuggets of information. We don&#8217;t gather much in person, so it&#8217;s nice to build some camaraderie virtually. I think the games are over for a while, at least for me <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Steven: I&#8217;m curious to see your hatemail now. Sounds interesting. I was taken aback by the vitriol, but what can you do? Thanks.</p>
<p>@Robbert: I hope this isn&#8217;t a bad thing for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbert van der Hoor</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2553</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbert van der Hoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this moment, my blog-collector gets more hits on comments on this blog than on the other &#039;I have been tagged&#039; blogs all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this moment, my blog-collector gets more hits on comments on this blog than on the other &#8216;I have been tagged&#8217; blogs all together.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Chan</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Jake,

I wouldn&#039;t worry about it.  Once one is prominent in the blogosphere, one is bound to attract brickbats along with the accolades. Just for laughs, remind me to share a recent incoherent and mystifying piece of hatemail I received a few weeks ago.

Goes with the territory: not everyone will agree with everything you write.  So be it. 

The web is a big place, and nobody&#039;s forcing anyone to read something. This is how freedom of speech is supposed to work on the web: if someone disagrees with what you say, they&#039;re free to say so on their own blog.

Cheers,
Steven Chan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Jake,</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it.  Once one is prominent in the blogosphere, one is bound to attract brickbats along with the accolades. Just for laughs, remind me to share a recent incoherent and mystifying piece of hatemail I received a few weeks ago.</p>
<p>Goes with the territory: not everyone will agree with everything you write.  So be it. </p>
<p>The web is a big place, and nobody&#8217;s forcing anyone to read something. This is how freedom of speech is supposed to work on the web: if someone disagrees with what you say, they&#8217;re free to say so on their own blog.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Steven Chan</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Muir</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2531</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been waiting for reports that Oracle bloggers brought the internet down with the power of 8..... but no luck so far.

Like others comments here I&#039;ve been hanging out for every &quot;tag&quot; post too.  It&#039;s been a great exercise in removing the elitism shroud from Oracle staff and (non-Oracle) bloggers out there.  I found it tough at OOW not knowing much about the people I met to crack the ice, but now I&#039;m going to track a few people down and see if we can build on relationships based on common themes published in the tag posts.

Howard is entitled to his point of view and he can react in any way he sees fit, but so are we.

Keep up the good work Jake.  Do you have any other fun games for us all to play?  How about tag*32 ;)

CM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been waiting for reports that Oracle bloggers brought the internet down with the power of 8&#8230;.. but no luck so far.</p>
<p>Like others comments here I&#8217;ve been hanging out for every &#8220;tag&#8221; post too.  It&#8217;s been a great exercise in removing the elitism shroud from Oracle staff and (non-Oracle) bloggers out there.  I found it tough at OOW not knowing much about the people I met to crack the ice, but now I&#8217;m going to track a few people down and see if we can build on relationships based on common themes published in the tag posts.</p>
<p>Howard is entitled to his point of view and he can react in any way he sees fit, but so are we.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work Jake.  Do you have any other fun games for us all to play?  How about tag*32 <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>CM.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Ciortea</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2530</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Ciortea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what the big deal is. Sounds like fun. Wish I had a blog, so I can play too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what the big deal is. Sounds like fun. Wish I had a blog, so I can play too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter K and @Paul: Thanks for chiming in with your support. I&#039;m glad so many people have enjoyed the game. I hope the positive outweighs the negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter K and @Paul: Thanks for chiming in with your support. I&#8217;m glad so many people have enjoyed the game. I hope the positive outweighs the negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2525</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, ignore the criticism. With you all the way..

The only stuff that&#039;s been clogging up my reader and getting up my nose of late has been all the petulant whinging complaining about this 8-things meme, and now all the post-analysis of who was right and wrong.

And the only thing close to spam has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dizwell.net/prod/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Howard&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; multiple posts and emails on the subject.

Despite evidence that the 8-things idea never did get out of hand, and is well over now anyway (more&#039;s the pity), his site remains off the net. That is so funny! 

I think somewhere along the way, some forgot that this is the internet we are dealing with, not a database.

There is no &quot;SELECT * FROM internet WHERE topic=&#039;oracle&#039; and category=&#039;only oracle&#039; and stuff=&#039;only what I like&#039;;&quot;

Don&#039;t like what you get through an aggregator? Ignore it or roll your own, like using Yahoo Pipes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, ignore the criticism. With you all the way..</p>
<p>The only stuff that&#8217;s been clogging up my reader and getting up my nose of late has been all the petulant whinging complaining about this 8-things meme, and now all the post-analysis of who was right and wrong.</p>
<p>And the only thing close to spam has been <a href="http://www.dizwell.net/prod/" rel="nofollow">Howard&#8217;s</a> multiple posts and emails on the subject.</p>
<p>Despite evidence that the 8-things idea never did get out of hand, and is well over now anyway (more&#8217;s the pity), his site remains off the net. That is so funny! </p>
<p>I think somewhere along the way, some forgot that this is the internet we are dealing with, not a database.</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;SELECT * FROM internet WHERE topic=&#8217;oracle&#8217; and category=&#8217;only oracle&#8217; and stuff=&#8217;only what I like&#8217;;&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t like what you get through an aggregator? Ignore it or roll your own, like using Yahoo Pipes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter K</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,
Came in at a late stage as Doug &quot;tagged&quot; me early this week and I&#039;ve been busy with work (no excuse).  I wouldn&#039;t worry about it too much.

Remember that you can&#039;t please everybody all the time so take it (the criticism) like water from a duck&#039;s back.

Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,<br />
Came in at a late stage as Doug &#8220;tagged&#8221; me early this week and I&#8217;ve been busy with work (no excuse).  I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it too much.</p>
<p>Remember that you can&#8217;t please everybody all the time so take it (the criticism) like water from a duck&#8217;s back.</p>
<p>Peter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joel: Thanks, this is good advice that I plan to take tomorrow and Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joel: Thanks, this is good advice that I plan to take tomorrow and Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: joel garry</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2516</link>
		<dc:creator>joel garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... but what can I do.&quot;

Tom has discovered it, not to mention ancient Jewish sages:  turn everything off at least a day per week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; but what can I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tom has discovered it, not to mention ancient Jewish sages:  turn everything off at least a day per week.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick: Thanks, I&#039;m glad. That was the point, not to annoy people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick: Thanks, I&#8217;m glad. That was the point, not to annoy people.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Wolf</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2514</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,

I also enjoyed reading the &quot;8 things...&quot; a lot. It doesn&#039;t always have to be technical. We are doing to much technical stuff anyway. Sometimes we need a relieve.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>I also enjoyed reading the &#8220;8 things&#8230;&#8221; a lot. It doesn&#8217;t always have to be technical. We are doing to much technical stuff anyway. Sometimes we need a relieve.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2511</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt: Thanks. I thought he&#039;d have thought of categories already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt: Thanks. I thought he&#8217;d have thought of categories already.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/01/11/so-very-tired/comment-page-1/#comment-2510</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,

Don&#039;t let the wet socks get to you.  Let them turn off their servers and sit in the dark by themselves while everyone else has a fun time playing.

Eddie already has categories in OraNA with their own RSS feed.  He just needs to publicize it more so everyone with readers will know and use them.  Of course, then he&#039;d get blamed by the wet socks for spamming OraNA with a post for each feed.  ;)

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the wet socks get to you.  Let them turn off their servers and sit in the dark by themselves while everyone else has a fun time playing.</p>
<p>Eddie already has categories in OraNA with their own RSS feed.  He just needs to publicize it more so everyone with readers will know and use them.  Of course, then he&#8217;d get blamed by the wet socks for spamming OraNA with a post for each feed.  <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Matt</p>
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