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		<title>By: Delicious Links - 20 links - friendfeed, lifehacks, blogging, programming, wordpress &#171; // Internet Duct Tape</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3212</link>
		<dc:creator>Delicious Links - 20 links - friendfeed, lifehacks, blogging, programming, wordpress &#171; // Internet Duct Tape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3200</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3200</guid>
		<description>&quot;I say feed readers are for serial readers.&quot;
Yes, if a comment feed is available on the blog. But still, managing so many feeds is a nightmare (for me) ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I say feed readers are for serial readers.&#8221;<br />
Yes, if a comment feed is available on the blog. But still, managing so many feeds is a nightmare (for me) <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3190</guid>
		<description>@christophe: FF is aggregation and discovery, too, in addition to the commenting and network effects. That&#039;s why it&#039;s successful, at least so far.

I say feed readers are for serial readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: FF is aggregation and discovery, too, in addition to the commenting and network effects. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s successful, at least so far.</p>
<p>I say feed readers are for serial readers.</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3189</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3189</guid>
		<description>By the way: you mention the value of coComment to serial commenters. I would also add serial readers like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way: you mention the value of coComment to serial commenters. I would also add serial readers like me.</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3188</guid>
		<description>@Jake: yes, true. The initial value is more for your readers/commenters. But at the end, this is also value for you if you make your reader&#039;s life easier.

I would be surprised that Robert follow you on FF but do not track your blog. If he is interested by what you say, he should read your blog. But I&#039;m probably wrong ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake: yes, true. The initial value is more for your readers/commenters. But at the end, this is also value for you if you make your reader&#8217;s life easier.</p>
<p>I would be surprised that Robert follow you on FF but do not track your blog. If he is interested by what you say, he should read your blog. But I&#8217;m probably wrong <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3187</guid>
		<description>Dawn Foster has hacked together a Yahoo Pipe that tracks items in any user&#039;s FF that have garnered likes or comments:

http://fastwonderblog.com/2008/03/20/solution-to-missed-friendfeed-comments-friendfeed-comment-finder/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn Foster has hacked together a Yahoo Pipe that tracks items in any user&#8217;s FF that have garnered likes or comments:</p>
<p><a href="http://fastwonderblog.com/2008/03/20/solution-to-missed-friendfeed-comments-friendfeed-comment-finder/" rel="nofollow">http://fastwonderblog.com/2008/03/20/solution-to-missed-friendfeed-comments-friendfeed-comment-finder/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3186</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3186</guid>
		<description>@christophe: I suppose that would be helpful. Sounds complex, frankly coComment holds value for serial commenters more than casual commenters like me.

One great effect of FF for small blogs is that it puts your content into the feeds of people who wouldn&#039;t see it otherwise. For example, I doubt Scoble reads here or subscribes and why would he? But since he subscribes to me on FF, he&#039;ll see my posts there, and if he wants, he can comment, no mess, no fuss.

Plus, if he comments, my post bubbles up, and others see it and comment. 

In the end, fragmentation doesn&#039;t matter to small fish. Attention does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: I suppose that would be helpful. Sounds complex, frankly coComment holds value for serial commenters more than casual commenters like me.</p>
<p>One great effect of FF for small blogs is that it puts your content into the feeds of people who wouldn&#8217;t see it otherwise. For example, I doubt Scoble reads here or subscribes and why would he? But since he subscribes to me on FF, he&#8217;ll see my posts there, and if he wants, he can comment, no mess, no fuss.</p>
<p>Plus, if he comments, my post bubbles up, and others see it and comment. </p>
<p>In the end, fragmentation doesn&#8217;t matter to small fish. Attention does.</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3185</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an idea for now......

What if we, in coComment, give you the possibility, as the owner of this site, to do the following:
     - We track the conversation on the original post
     - The site owner have the possibility to attach to this conversation any other conversations related to this post
     - Someone tracking the conversation on your post will automatically track all related conversations
     - The main link is still to your post
     - We have &quot;sub-links&quot; to the related conversations so people can choose where they want to comment.
     - Someone tracking just a related conversation will also see the link to the post.

What do you think ? Would you see this as helpful to follow more efficiently fragmented conversations and to keep people coming to your site ?

Thanks for your comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an idea for now&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>What if we, in coComment, give you the possibility, as the owner of this site, to do the following:<br />
     &#8211; We track the conversation on the original post<br />
     &#8211; The site owner have the possibility to attach to this conversation any other conversations related to this post<br />
     &#8211; Someone tracking the conversation on your post will automatically track all related conversations<br />
     &#8211; The main link is still to your post<br />
     &#8211; We have &#8220;sub-links&#8221; to the related conversations so people can choose where they want to comment.<br />
     &#8211; Someone tracking just a related conversation will also see the link to the post.</p>
<p>What do you think ? Would you see this as helpful to follow more efficiently fragmented conversations and to keep people coming to your site ?</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3184</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3184</guid>
		<description>@christophe: There&#039;s discussion at FF about this topic and how the API could support widgets to bring comments from FF into your blog and/or bring blog comments into your feed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: There&#8217;s discussion at FF about this topic and how the API could support widgets to bring comments from FF into your blog and/or bring blog comments into your feed.</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3183</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3183</guid>
		<description>I like this post from Andy: http://andybeard.eu/2008/03/the-death-of-blogging.html 
And I would like to quote:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;How many times have you found the answer to a question by reading a blog comment?

For me it is actually quite frequently - comments quite often provide alternatives to the original content that offer improvements.

A large part of blogging is engaging your audience in conversation&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post from Andy: <a href="http://andybeard.eu/2008/03/the-death-of-blogging.html" rel="nofollow">http://andybeard.eu/2008/03/the-death-of-blogging.html</a><br />
And I would like to quote:<br />
<i>&#8220;How many times have you found the answer to a question by reading a blog comment?</p>
<p>For me it is actually quite frequently &#8211; comments quite often provide alternatives to the original content that offer improvements.</p>
<p>A large part of blogging is engaging your audience in conversation&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3173</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@christophe: No, you can&#039;t see what people write in comment off FF. What I meant was FF has a network already, and I can see what people in that network are doing, including their comments within FF.

You make a good point about a FF widget, and I&#039;m hoping that will be coming soon when they release an API.

FYI: Here&#039;s a link to the item in FriendFeed.
http://friendfeed.com/e/f7b7ec41-3343-4ab3-15a6-de5cde34bf58</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: No, you can&#8217;t see what people write in comment off FF. What I meant was FF has a network already, and I can see what people in that network are doing, including their comments within FF.</p>
<p>You make a good point about a FF widget, and I&#8217;m hoping that will be coming soon when they release an API.</p>
<p>FYI: Here&#8217;s a link to the item in FriendFeed.<br />
<a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/f7b7ec41-3343-4ab3-15a6-de5cde34bf58" rel="nofollow">http://friendfeed.com/e/f7b7ec41-3343-4ab3-15a6-de5cde34bf58</a></p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3172</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3172</guid>
		<description>Interesting: in FF, do you also see comments they do not write on FF ? I tried to get my comments in my FF profile but didn&#039;t find a way to do it.

The way you mention multiple conversation works for you. But I&#039;m also interested on the comments people are leaving on your post. So I will end up tracking two conversations :-(

And, although I&#039;m not a blogger, I&#039;m a big reader and sometime commenter, and, as I mentioned, I read the post and comments. So tracking conversations is very important for me. Maybe you should display the FF conversation also in your post page so I can read both without searching for the item in FF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting: in FF, do you also see comments they do not write on FF ? I tried to get my comments in my FF profile but didn&#8217;t find a way to do it.</p>
<p>The way you mention multiple conversation works for you. But I&#8217;m also interested on the comments people are leaving on your post. So I will end up tracking two conversations <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And, although I&#8217;m not a blogger, I&#8217;m a big reader and sometime commenter, and, as I mentioned, I read the post and comments. So tracking conversations is very important for me. Maybe you should display the FF conversation also in your post page so I can read both without searching for the item in FF.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@christophe: FF has the network already, so I can see what people whose feeds I subscribe to are saying in comments.

As for multiple conversations, I honestly don&#039;t care. It was nice to have Bret comment here, but if he had commented on the feed item instead, I wouldn&#039;t care. Some people will engage here, directly or clicking through from a reader or other source (FF, Twitter, emailed link, whatever). Others will engage on FF. As an author, I want to extend my reach, even if it means more work for me.

As FF grows, the evolution of their commenting system is going to be interesting to watch for you and the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: FF has the network already, so I can see what people whose feeds I subscribe to are saying in comments.</p>
<p>As for multiple conversations, I honestly don&#8217;t care. It was nice to have Bret comment here, but if he had commented on the feed item instead, I wouldn&#8217;t care. Some people will engage here, directly or clicking through from a reader or other source (FF, Twitter, emailed link, whatever). Others will engage on FF. As an author, I want to extend my reach, even if it means more work for me.</p>
<p>As FF grows, the evolution of their commenting system is going to be interesting to watch for you and the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3169</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3169</guid>
		<description>By the way, I was not suggesting we do something better ;-)
We just do something else. My interest was more on the subject of multiple conversations on the same article.
But I do see an added value if FF would integrate our tracked conversation to:
     - Enable you to show your friends what you say
     - Display the blog conversation with the item.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I was not suggesting we do something better <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
We just do something else. My interest was more on the subject of multiple conversations on the same article.<br />
But I do see an added value if FF would integrate our tracked conversation to:<br />
     &#8211; Enable you to show your friends what you say<br />
     &#8211; Display the blog conversation with the item.</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3168</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3168</guid>
		<description>Yes, we do track the conversation, so you know when someone post a comment (this is why I can answer you quickly ;-)).
But we never duplicated the conversation: our links are always pointing to the original post and we do not enable commenting from our site.
If I follow you on coComment, and see a conversation you have that interest me, I will be able to participate, on the blog. And the link to the post is available directly from coComment web site, or from my RSS feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we do track the conversation, so you know when someone post a comment (this is why I can answer you quickly <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).<br />
But we never duplicated the conversation: our links are always pointing to the original post and we do not enable commenting from our site.<br />
If I follow you on coComment, and see a conversation you have that interest me, I will be able to participate, on the blog. And the link to the post is available directly from coComment web site, or from my RSS feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3167</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3167</guid>
		<description>@christophe: I&#039;m waiting for you to mention how you do it better/differently at coComment :) 

I haven&#039;t used it for months, but I don&#039;t recall coComment doing anything more than tracking my comments, which still means the discussion happens in multiple places. So, it seems like fractured discussion is a necessary evil.

Did I miss something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: I&#8217;m waiting for you to mention how you do it better/differently at coComment <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t used it for months, but I don&#8217;t recall coComment doing anything more than tracking my comments, which still means the discussion happens in multiple places. So, it seems like fractured discussion is a necessary evil.</p>
<p>Did I miss something?</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3166</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3166</guid>
		<description>:-) Totally true: a blog article without comments is not good for the publisher, but also for readers (I personally like to read the comments as it often contain some other point of view that really helps). And this is not only for blog article: media sites that provide commenting on news are for me much more valuable. Ok: more garbage to filter, but also so much ideas.....

Now, having this content (the comments) in multiple places does not make that so easy as a valuable comment might not be linked with the article. 

I do see commenting as a conversation: a good comment without an answer is also depressing.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Totally true: a blog article without comments is not good for the publisher, but also for readers (I personally like to read the comments as it often contain some other point of view that really helps). And this is not only for blog article: media sites that provide commenting on news are for me much more valuable. Ok: more garbage to filter, but also so much ideas&#8230;..</p>
<p>Now, having this content (the comments) in multiple places does not make that so easy as a valuable comment might not be linked with the article. </p>
<p>I do see commenting as a conversation: a good comment without an answer is also depressing&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3165</guid>
		<description>@christophe: Does it really matter where people comment? If you blog and want to engage discussion, you&#039;ll do so where ever you can, in your comments, in comments of blogs that trackback to your posts, in FF. Personally, I don&#039;t care where the comments are, as long as they are :)

Blogging into silence is depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: Does it really matter where people comment? If you blog and want to engage discussion, you&#8217;ll do so where ever you can, in your comments, in comments of blogs that trackback to your posts, in FF. Personally, I don&#8217;t care where the comments are, as long as they are <img src='http://theappslab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Blogging into silence is depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: christophe</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3164</link>
		<dc:creator>christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://oracleappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed/#comment-3164</guid>
		<description>Got your point: so you see the conversation on FF as a &quot;teaser&quot; to read the article. 
But, in the case of blog posts, I guess the user will first read the article before commenting, so he will comment on the blog itself, rather to come back to FF to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got your point: so you see the conversation on FF as a &#8220;teaser&#8221; to read the article.<br />
But, in the case of blog posts, I guess the user will first read the article before commenting, so he will comment on the blog itself, rather to come back to FF to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappslab.com/2008/03/18/friendfeed-is-for-lurkers-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@christophe: Both valid. From my own experience, the value of FF comments comes from extending my readership to include people who don&#039;t already read here. I&#039;m happy to maintain two comment streams (and maybe cross-populate them) if I can get more people to read my posts.

I don&#039;t concern myself with driving traffic here, for traffic&#039;s sake. I prefer engaged readers to pageviews. Blogging about FF did cause a mini-spike though the last couple times. I think this is due to FF users clicking through. FF only shows the title, so you have to click through to read the content. That drives traffic.

In both cases, you get the network effect of an expanded readership, which is gravy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@christophe: Both valid. From my own experience, the value of FF comments comes from extending my readership to include people who don&#8217;t already read here. I&#8217;m happy to maintain two comment streams (and maybe cross-populate them) if I can get more people to read my posts.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t concern myself with driving traffic here, for traffic&#8217;s sake. I prefer engaged readers to pageviews. Blogging about FF did cause a mini-spike though the last couple times. I think this is due to FF users clicking through. FF only shows the title, so you have to click through to read the content. That drives traffic.</p>
<p>In both cases, you get the network effect of an expanded readership, which is gravy.</p>
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