Comments on: Suggest a Session is a Hit

By: Widget for Voting in the Mix! | .:MattTopper.com:.

Widget for Voting in the Mix! | .:MattTopper.com:. — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:38:14 +0000

[...] and vote on sessions for this years Oracle Open World. Not too long after the launch Jake mentioned that they needed some new ideas on how to review the submitted sessions. I had an idea to create [...]

By: Jake

Jake — Sat, 17 May 2008 01:16:35 +0000

Sure, we probably need to work on this soon. Drop a note, and we'll talk about requirements.

By: davidhaimes

davidhaimes — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:28:42 +0000

So if iI have a session that is very similar to another one being proposed, why can't I agree to either
a) Co-present with the other person. or
b) Drop my suggestion and back theirs

Then we can merge ideas and the votes (removing duplicates to maintain one member one vote).

This will remove many duplicates and reduce the noise in a democratic self policing warm and fuzzy way. It will also make for some great sessions, bringing people with similar ideas and interests together - isn't that what mix is about?

By: manalang

manalang — Fri, 09 May 2008 08:43:02 +0000

We do sort by "last voted on", sort off. In the OOW group, the default sort
order is "Recently Active." That surfaces an entry if anything was done to
it (i.e., edited, voted on, or commented on). But, you're right, we need to
align all of these views to be more consistent.

Rich

By: Eddie Awad

Eddie Awad — Fri, 09 May 2008 07:59:43 +0000

Another sorting order could be “last voted on”. So, the last voted on idea will bubble to the surface. Just an idea.

By: Jake

Jake — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:57:03 +0000

@Danny Corner Case: That's brilliant! I love it.

By: Dan Norris

Dan Norris — Thu, 08 May 2008 00:34:24 +0000

Creative Brain not working that well today I guess. Maybe you should have some sort of a randomizer to give them random order? That would give equal fairness to everyone. However, I can see people being frustrated with that . If it was on a cool, slot-machine-style thingy where I spin it and get 3 random sessions to review, that might be a game I'd play…

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:29:18 +0000

@Dan: We may have to do something, depending on internal decisions that are outside my influence. Either way, I'm not terribly concerned about votes, more so about how to get all the ideas equal time.

Ideas there?

By: Dan Norris

Dan Norris — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:31:15 +0000

Why not allow the submission's author to see who voted for them instead of making votes publicly available? I'd personally like to know who has a mind warped like mine and it would still not cloud the rest of the world (PMs, dev, first-timers, etc). Maybe it's harder to implement that way, but the 'lab has never been one to stop when something looks “hard”.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:38:44 +0000

@Lennard: We've gone around and around on this from the beginning. We keep who voted for what private to encourage new people who aren't used to Digg, etc. to participate. Also, I want product development to focus on ideas, not on people.
We may eventually turn this on, but for now, it's private and will stay that way.

By: Lennard

Lennard — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:08:18 +0000

@manalang, just curious (again) – why not ? I think it will be kinda neat if someone posts and idea and they know who are the like-minded ones who dig that idea. Then you start to see sub-ecosystems forming by like-minded folks under the bigger Mix umbrella. Oracle internal folks can also know who are the people that responded to their idea posts and maybe even connect with them at another medium.

Unless there's a big security implication, I would think it's a good idea to expose the users, not just for the OOW session votes, but even for the idea posts as well (but then again it might be just me)

By: shishir

shishir — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:35:59 +0000

gotcha !! and I even submitted an idea there . am not getting enough time after my not so web2.0 office work. Will send you as soon as I have something concrete

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:35:03 +0000

@shishir: Yeah, you're not alone in suggesting a tag cloud, but it has
several drawbacks IMHO. 1) It advances popular tags, making it tough to
browse, 2) In this case, we would have to have a tag cloud only for OOW
sessions. I think a tag cloud still underserves the middle. This may be the
best way though, stay tuned.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:20:18 +0000

@shishir: You can submit ideas until June 13 and vote until June 24. Are you still writing a Google App Engine post for me? I got my invite a few days ago and was planning to mess around in there.

By: manalang

manalang — Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:00 +0000

@Lennard, yes we track each vote by user. We just don't expose them.

By: Lennard

Lennard — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:11:35 +0000

Just Curious, how do you know who actually *are* the people that voted for a particular session. I mean we see the number of people who want a session, but do we know exactly who ?

By: shishir

shishir — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:10:26 +0000

Oops I didn't see that.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 07 May 2008 06:57:46 +0000

@Chris: Agreed, I suspect the positive response will force the stakeholders into quick action to clarify what's involved, more details, etc. Not by accident, I have definite content in mind for the suggestions I've proposed, but then again, I had a head start

We (AppsLab) have been a promotion vehicle only so far, and I'm taking in all the thoughts for the inevitable meeting that we'll need to have soon.

By: Chris Muir

Chris Muir — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:44:34 +0000

@Jake: I note that some of the submissions are suggestions and ideas, why are others are real sessions proposed by presenters. While ideas and discussions around this are great because they may lead onto presentations, a proposed presentation is a much more substantial beast and needs to be flagged in some way so people can browse them.

Also there is a h3ll of a lot of ideas already building up with the usual duplicates and cross ideas that needs careful pruning, otherwise the usual duplicate clutter is going to happen.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 07 May 2008 02:47:17 +0000

Turns out Raimonds is doing some self-promotions for his Rails session too

http://twitter.com/rsim/statuses/804580498

http://blog.rayapps.com/2008/05/04/session-prop...