Comments on: A Bit More on Our IE6 Stance

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By: Jake

Jake — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:06:10 +0000

I was planning to check it out from IE6 and comment, but wow, I can't even open this blog in IE6.

First, it kept trying to load the Friend Connect toolbar, which was livable, but then it croaked entirely. Now, it dies every time. Sweet.

Sorry about the comments and that you're ever stuck with IE6. I put the blame on Disqus

One feature I like about the newer FF builds and Chrome is the ability to tear away a tab into a new window (and vice versa). Fits all use cases pretty well.

Fun fact: I'm writing this comment from Netscape 6, and it looks pretty good.

By: joel garry

joel garry — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:49:08 +0000

All your base comments are belong to… I mean the top level comments farthest to the left sometimes get truncated on the left side, including this box I'm typing into. I use 4 different browsers at least, so don't talk to me about switching when I'm stuck somewhere with ie6, it's just not my choice to make.

As far as tabs, I seem to like them sometimes and not others, I'm not sure why. With multiple windows, I do tend to position them so I can get a peaky at what is on each one, much quicker than finding and reading tabs, and that's what I do with colors on X windows too, when I'm not full-screen on one particular thing.

And standars – did I miss something, or is there something wrong with http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://theapp... ?

By: chet

chet — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:08:22 +0000

that's funny…I referenced the Kool Aid man just today.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:43:44 +0000

Glad they're still offering it, although there were some oddities about the pricing I think vs. XP.

It's time to come back to PDX.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:35:27 +0000

Nice. Good info, I was struggling to come up with anything useful for John.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:29:46 +0000

Yes, return me to the days when the Information Superhighway was blinking text and spinning gifs

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:28:21 +0000

Yeah I remember we got a bunch of sendmails saying not to take IE7 as an update. Although that was before the acquisitions started, so now I'm guessing we're higher in IE7 overall.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:19:24 +0000

Hmm, that could be a side-effect of running EBS via IETab. Try it natively. If it's a bug, report it

Glad you enjoy reading and thanks for commenting.

By: Mark Trapp

Mark Trapp — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:04:27 +0000

There isn't a body that determines UA compliance, and none of the major parties would ever agree to such a body. One thing developers and some web designers have been doing is testing for capability (rather than browser), which abstracts progressive enhancement to allow for cases when a browser eventually implements a feature. The jQuery library, for the most part, is one example of this (A List Apart article on it: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/testdriven).

One offset of this are tools to test compatibility, which could, in theory, be used for compatibility policy. The famous example of this is the ACID test: you could always require a browser that has at least 90% on it.

By: John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)

John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises) — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:57:06 +0000

Jake, you also have the enterprise issue, where automatic pushes of new software versions are controlled internally. Frankly, that probably accounts for most of the IE6 copies that are still out there today.

By: John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)

John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises) — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:54:37 +0000

Rather than having a corporate standard for browsers – which, frankly, is what led us into this mess – it would be better for browsers themselves to comply with some external standard – then any application developed to the external standard will work, no matter which browser you use.

Yes, I know that browsers are supposed to comply to standards today, but perhaps an independent organization could certify compliance? Or is there already a certification body doing this?

By: John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)

John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises) — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:51:06 +0000

FYI, I was recently checking out netbooks at the Dell website, and Ubuntu iand Windows XP are offered. As for me, I haven't been in PDX since 1987-1988 or so.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:11:04 +0000

Tabs were the very feature that we chatted about, and they are the reason I switched to Netscape 6. By now, tabs seem like a must-have, but they were really important to me. I've always hated window popping, dating back to the days before pop-up blockers.

Tabs don't resonate with other people though. I tried to get my wife to use them back in Firefox 1.5, when I switched her over from IE. To this day, she won't use them. If I head up to her iMac, I'll find about 5 Firefox and 8 Safari windows open.

It's intriguing to me why we have such different UI preferences.

Side note: yet another reason UI is so damn hard.

By: Jeff Waterman

Jeff Waterman — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:06:32 +0000

This is minor, but still an issue. When running Expenses in FF (with IE plug-in), you are taken to select your credit card expenses…if you have more than 10, you have to click to items 11-20…once you do that you lose the checked first ten, if you click back I lose the 11-20.

Could be that I am the one with the problem, as it is easier just to resort to IE6.

Love the blog and will start running EBS via FF this afternoon.

By: David Haimes

David Haimes — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:44:40 +0000

I remember well chatting about Netscape 6, it was a revelation to me and I never looked back.

Coincidently I was talking with my Mum last night as she got confused with the tabs using FF on my wife's Mac.

Have you never seen tabs in a browser before?

I have all those windows and they appear in the bar at the bottom.

What version of Internet Explorer do you use at home?

Hmmm, let me think, it's XD

You mean XP?

Oh yeah that's it.

Never mind.

By: David Haimes

David Haimes — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:34:57 +0000

I run EBS on FF and Safari with no problems, I never switch to IE for any internal Apps apart from Webconferencing.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:09:44 +0000

I'll reply to your Tony the Tiger with an “Oh, yeah!” Kool Aid man reference.

And yes, Portland's many fine breweries are calling you.