Comments on: IE6 Death Rattle

By: Source code and IE6 | Leis Network

Source code and IE6 | Leis Network — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:16:03 +0000

[...] Explorer 6 market share still hovers around 13% world wide. That market share is predominantly due to corporate IT departments still clinging to 10 year old technology that is buggy, slow, and most importantly, an [...]

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By: Jake

Jake — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:41:22 +0000

Yeah, I saw that on TC. Doubt IT departments will listen though. IE6 will slowly bleed out of organizations; check back in 2011 when it turns 10 to see

By: Joonas Linkola

Joonas Linkola — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:06:07 +0000

Don't know if this is yesterday's news, but: http://hey-it.com/

By: Jake

Jake — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:30:11 +0000

Hmm, no insight into why it's retiring permanently. I guess you'll have to find a way to run Flash I would have expected a larger group rising up against a site that requires Flash.

By: joel garry

joel garry — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:40:15 +0000

Yeah, I don't know where that end-of-July rumor came from. From the faq "The upgrade to My Oracle Support and retirement of Classic MetaLink and the On Demand Customer Portal are targeted to occur in the second half of calendar year 2009. The exact timeline will be provided to Classic MetaLink / My Oracle Support / Oracle On Demand users approximately three weeks prior to the go live date. " dated 22-July.

Some small number of people are complaining on OTN and oracle-l and asking to keep the old metalink, that would be interesting if that actually happened. Grand total of 4 comments on the oracle support blog.

By: Jake

Jake — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:48:55 +0000

Are you talking about MetaLink? I think they plan to keep the old school HTML version for non-Flash types.

Flash is another post. Running the Chromium/Chrome Dev builds makes it more obvious how many places it is now. Bit of a bummer.

By: joel garry

joel garry — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:09:46 +0000

I know of a company who is forcing usage of flash for their support site, starting in less than 2 weeks. Then they recommend some camstudio thing that conflicts with X-Windows. I guess. Since no one seems to be able to support it, I don't really know. All I know is it lost my work. I'd like to tell them what to do with their product and the source it rode in on.

At least I'm off IE6.

By: Jake

Jake — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:38:30 +0000

I read a summary of this last week. I think we can agree the costs of rolling out s/w are high, but in this particular case, you're talking about a browser. It functions very similarly, using the same paradigms as the known entity, IE.

Investigation seems pretty futile in this case. I'll bet most of the support issues would overlap browsers.

Re. your constituent point, IE comes bundled with Win and usage doesn't monetarily benefit anyone. And what about the CA constituents who run Mozilla

By: John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)

John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:05:36 +0000

I just ran across an interesting exchange in a Department of State town hall meeting on July 10, in which Secretary Clinton was asked about...Firefox. No one states which version of IE is mandated, but it's an interesting exchange nonetheless.

MS. GREENBERG: Okay. Our next question comes from Jim Finkle:

Can you please let the staff use an alternative web browser called Firefox? I just – (applause) – I just moved to the State Department from the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and was surprised that State doesn’t use this browser. It was approved for the entire intelligence community, so I don’t understand why State can’t use it. It’s a much safer program. Thank you. (Applause.)

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, apparently, there’s a lot of support for this suggestion. (Laughter.) I don’t know the answer. Pat, do you know the answer? (Laughter.)

UNDER SECRETARY KENNEDY: The answer is at the moment, it’s an expense question. We can --

QUESTION: It’s free. (Laughter.)

UNDER SECRETARY KENNEDY: Nothing is free. (Laughter.) It’s a question of the resources to manage multiple systems. It is something we’re looking at. And thanks to the Secretary, there is a significant increase in the 2010 budget request that’s pending for what is called the Capital Investment Fund, by which we fund our information technology operations. With the Secretary’s continuing pushing, we’re hoping to get that increase in the Capital Investment Fund. And with those additional resources, we will be able to add multiple programs to it.

Yes, you’re correct; it’s free, but it has to be administered, the patches have to be loaded. It may seem small, but when you’re running a worldwide operation and trying to push, as the Secretary rightly said, out FOBs and other devices, you’re caught in the terrible bind of triage of trying to get the most out that you can, but knowing you can’t do everything at once.

If you think about it, government agencies are possibly more hidebound than Fortune 500 companies. While government agencies don't have to necessarily submit to profit and loss analysis, they have to guard against charges of frivolous spending, and they also have to be sensitive to a protest from the esteemed Representative from the State of Washington, should the Department of State choose a browser that is not provided by one of his/her constituents.

By: Jake

Jake — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:56:49 +0000

Wish I were surprised. It's a shame really, and I think there's a general view that MSFT is to blame. Aside from the fact that they built IE6 and were slow to update it (3+ years between IE6 and IE7), I'll bet internally they wish it could be decommissioned once and for all. I'm sure there are great stories waiting to be told about the internal struggles.

By: John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)

John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises) — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:33:36 +0000

I know of a company which, as of April 2009, still mandated that IE6 was the only officially approved browser on the company's computers. (I have no knowledge of any changes to this policy that may have occurred after April 2009.)

From what I know of this company, the new Digg policy won't have a big impact. However, the company does have its own YouTube channel, so any policy changes at YouTube regarding IE6 could be very interesting indeed.