Geo Me This

January 19th, 2010 12 Comments

Photo by .schill from Flickr used under Creative Commons

Wow, geo is a hot topic lately, with coverage, announcements and features dropping every day.

Here’s a summary of what I’ve seen lately that caught my interest:

I like all this activity because it means innovation in geo, and the release of APIs for geo-services means development, which means cool apps. It’s like mid-2007 for Twitter.

Competition among services is also good for users. Remember Jaiku and Pownce? Probably not. They taught us that the network mattered, which is why we all stayed with Twitter despite its downtime issues.

Geo services don’t turn out to be as social as people expect (one of my 2010 predictions), so to attract users, services need to be engaging and fun, the main reason I’ve stayed with foursquare.

Sure, Gowalla has game mechanics based around the exchange of virtual goods, but I haven’t really found that to be engaging yet. They have a beautiful app, but I don’t see myself playing long term unless the game changes.

I’ve played a little MyTown too, and its game mechanics are solid, i.e. you accrue money to buy properties and collect money. There are also levels to the game.

So far, it’s fun, but lonely. I know, I did say geo isn’t as social as people think, but without a little social goodness, it’s just not as fun, e.g. I want to taunt people I know when they have to pay me rent.

This leads me to the biggest and most interesting news of late. Yelp is getting into the geo game by adding the ability to checkin to venues.

Yelp boasts 1.25 million users and loads of user-generated content. It’s extremely popular among its users and was hot enough to be a recently rumored target for acquisition by Google.

Not too shabby.

While I’m not a Yelp user, I know it’s well-liked, and I can see why their entry into geo is viewed as a threat to services like foursquare and Gowalla. I wonder though.

I wonder if Yelp will be able to convince its loyal users to checkin. After all, Yelp’s core value is its user reviews, which work best when they’re viewed as authentic. Whether they are authentic or not is a hotly debated topic.

Yelp’s core service is reviews and comments on reviews, not social features and not geo features.

So will Yelp users, many of which will not be familiar with services like foursquare use that feature? Beyond the obvious ability to get a “Regular” badge for repeat visits, Yelp hasn’t fleshed out much about the game mechanics of checkins.

As with foursquare, the assumption is that regulars would receive discounts from the merchant, but this would seem to taint the impartial nature of any review done by a regular, further adding to the storm around the veracity of Yelp’s reviews.

Also, there’s the real-time problem of checking in and writing a bad review, which removes the veil of autonomy that some use on Yelp. Merchants get upset about bad reviews on Yelp, and adding real-time to that equation could end in tears. Just saying.

Yelp will be an interesting test for geo, and one that Facebook will likely watch with interest. Though it released its geo-tagging of tweets months ago, Twitter has yet to see much uptake of the new service.

With geo services debuting APIs, I wonder how long before someone builds a checkin app that can check you in to all these services at once and update all the other location-based apps.

And while we’re on the subject, I wonder why Fire Eagle, the location broker, is never mentioned? Were they too early to the game, or does the open model just not work?

Wonder what the future holds for Fire Eagle as Yahoo evolves.

Anyway, find the comments to add your thoughts on geo and these services.


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  • http://memberclicks.com/blog Shannon Otto

    What an awesome list, Maddie! (And thanks for the link love, too!) I’m personally not on the foursquare wagon yet, but I’m not sure how popular it is in Atlanta. I tend to fall somewhere between early adopters and early majority, so we’ll see… I do see FourSquare having some cool uses for associations, especially at events. And with Twitter rolling out location-based trending topics and location-enabled tweets, things could get even more interesting. I think some people could be hesitant to use location-based services for safety purposes, too — if they disclose to the world that they’re going on vacation, there could be some consequences there? Just thinking (typing?) out loud…

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  • http://www.mizzinformation.com/ Maggie McGary

    Thanks for the link love!

    Even though Foursquare is still a bit clunky for me at this point–very few places are already in their database (if you live in the burbs like I do) and adding them means manually typing in information, I’ve already seen glimmers of how useful it will be to both users and businesses. Now when you check in to a place, you can view nearby tweets, see if anyone else is checked in to that venue, leave reviews on Yelp, etc. I also had my first “ah ha” moment as far as how local places can use it the other day when I checked in somewhere and got a “nearby offer” message. I clicked that and it was a coupon for free chips and salsa if you check in at California Tortilla across the street.

    For events, I’m a little sketchy on how it could be used, but surely there’d be a way to make it work for exhibit halls. I know Intel used it at CES. Maybe using it as a tool to generate an additional revenue stream from local vendors and restaurants by letting them advertise specials to attendees?

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  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    I’ve been thinking about location for a while, and Foursquare does it right by creating incentives and layers of game mechanics around the core unit of work–divulging your location.

    I saw a lot of potential for Foursquare at Oracle OpenWorld last September (http://theappslab.com/2009/10/21/i-dont-care-what-you-say-foursquare-rules/). By checking in to a venue, you can see who else is already there, and your checkin is announced to your friends, less work than tweeting and scanning tweets.

    Foursquare is still very small, only 300,000 users or so, and like Twitter, many aren’t very active. As with Twitter, the mass of data may eventually become Foursquare’s goldmine, producing hyper-local data for local merchants.

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  • http://ariwriter.com/ Ari Herzog

    When you consider I’ve received free food from restaurant owners who saw my reviews on Yelp, why oughtn’t something similar occur to mayors on Foursquare?

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  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    @Ari: Agreed. Actually, foursquare makes more sense vs. Yelp, since the reviews there are *supposed* to be genuine, i.e. not influenced by freebies, not that yours was, just don’t think Yelp is going in the right direction by adding checkins.

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