A Computer for Your Parents

July 20th, 2009 43 Comments

Genius Bar, any good?This post in Forbes today, “Apple’s Secret Weapon: Your Mom” came across Techmeme a little while ago.

While the post centers around Apple’s financials and quarterly earnings report due this week, it interested me because I’m currently planning to bring my parents into the now with a Macbook Pro.

A few months ago, they finally conceded to the future and said they’d “have” to get a computer. Somehow they’ve managed to survive without one for all this time. I know, hard to believe, but somehow they did it. Seems like the main driver is the desire to consume news and information, not online shopping or Facebook or anything like that.

Just the news. I fully expect them to continue calling me to buy stuff for them on Amazon, but I suppose it’ll be easier with the exact URL. Of course, as an Oregonian, I don’t pay sales tax (or pump my own gas). Win.

We debated options for a while, and I politely insisted on Mac for a number of reasons. They haven’t used computers much and won’t be doing a lot other than browsing, so there’s not a lot of lost skill that wouldn’t translate from Windows to Mac. Plus, the inevitable support I’ll have to do will be easier if I have a similar configuration.

I don’t have a Vista or Windows 7 VM that I could use to emulate that setup.

Linux is out of the question, and you know why if you’ve worked with an installation for any amount of time.

I also accounted for the Genius Bar, which is why the article interested me. Even though it’s not for me, the Genius Bar offers people the in-person support experience that’s not as easy to get with Windows. Sure, you can go to Best Buy’s Geek Squad or a local computer service shop and get personal support, but whether it’s true or not, the Genius Bar seems to be better at supporting Apple stuff and has more parts on hand. Natch.

Having picked a model, probably one of the new unibody Macbook Pros, I’m now faced with the broadband problem, which is a completely different rathole.

Anyway, since most of you probably represent your family’s technical support too, what do you recommend when relatives ask?

Does the in-person support matter, or are you willing to be the PC ambulance for your users?

I’ve only used the Genius Bar twice, for issues that didn’t require support really, just replacement. Are they any good at supporting n00bs?

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  • http://oraclenerd.com/ chet

    My father has been online for years. Probably initially through work (government/military). He's fairly comfortable if not dangerous. I _think_ I have convinced that he cannot delete the explorer folder.

    Mom is another story. Since she won't go in dad's room (it's a mess of course), she wanted her own. I've used Dell for quite a while and find them fairly inexpensive. But, I knew that mom wouldn't be the only one using it.

    Despite working most of her adult life with Mac like computers (newspaper publishing), she sort of missed the internet revolution via work. She had the “wire” back in her day (I still remember getting pictures off the “wire” back in the early '80s and I also remember the cool pneumatic tubes all over the place…a 10 year olds heaven!).

    Anyway, I gave them a few options and they went with a Dell 17in laptop. Vista Home I think. Who uses it? Dad. CBS Sportsline in the living room while watching the Reds.

    Did I answer a question here? Not sure. I haven't talked to a soul today so…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Goldstick/502749470 Dave Goldstick

    I've never used the Genius Bar but have performed as the remote EMT utilizing http://www.dimdim.com/.

  • joel garry

    > what do you recommend when relatives ask?

    I recommend a different relative! (Hi Phil!)

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    Do they keep their machines clean though, or are you over there troubleshooting “slowness” all the time? My main fear of deploying Windows to my 'rents is cleaning viruses and malware off it all the time.

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    Nice, will have to try that out when I get them online finally.

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    Lucky you, with multiple relatives for family PC support.

  • http://only4left.jpiwowar.com jpiwowar

    Oh, how I wish I could justify introducing a Mac to my parents' household. Thing is, they both use Windows for work, and while I *think* my dad would love using a Mac for his photography hobby, he had an iPod briefly but traded it in for a…a…Zune. In addition to messing with my general worldview, this makes me question my general assumption that they'd get along with a Mac better than the Vista machine that they battle regularly.

    All that aside, I am de facto tech support for my parents, and not having a comparable system at home makes remote troubleshooting hard. You'll be glad you picked a Mac for that reason alone. My Windows VMs are all Win2K and XP, which aren't great help for telephone-based walkthroughs.

    This may be relevant, geographically speaking: the two Apple Stores nearest me frequently have long Genius Bar queues. My friend uses the South Hills Village store, and always needs an appointment. I once had to wait 40 minutes in the Shadyside store to get someone to look at my MBP for 30 seconds and declare that, yes, it *did* need a new battery. OTOH, I recently went in for a replacement power supply and they just handed me one and sent me on my way. Conventional wisdom suggests calling ahead, though.

    I have had occasion to observe (translation: I'm nosy) the Genius Bar in action during my visits to the Shadyside store, and found that even during busy times the staff remains friendly and accommodating, even with less technically inclined customers.

    FWIW, I've also been a customer of the two major broadband providers in town (Verizon for DSL and Comcast more recently), and found service to be mercifully, consistently average in both cases. Nothing to write home about, but okay. Verizon hasn't rolled FIOS to my part of town yet, but my suburban bandwidth-freak buddies who have been so blessed have not regretted dropping Comcast for Verizon. I'd bet that in your parents' case, the best bundle (phone or cable co.) wins.

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    How I get them online is completely different puzzle, involving support, aesthetics, price, power, and a whole mess of ferrets in a blanket (not literally, but you get the picture).

    My limited experience with the GB matches yours. Schedule ahead b/c showing up w/o an appointment is maddening, especially if you didn't plan to buy various knick-knacks for your Apple crap. I'm a relentless consumer when bored :)

    I agree they are very nice and patient with n00bs, which is why I don't like going there. It's tough to get a quick answer for a specific question, e.g. how much are your memory upgrades for a MB? That took 10 times longer than it should have and required two geniuses. But they are very nice and good with people's broken stuff. I think they must take crisis training b/c some of the people in there for help are ready to explode.

  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    How I get them online is completely different puzzle, involving support, aesthetics, price, power, and a whole mess of ferrets in a blanket (not literally, but you get the picture).

    My limited experience with the GB matches yours. Schedule ahead b/c showing up w/o an appointment is maddening, especially if you didn’t plan to buy various knick-knacks for your Apple crap. I’m a relentless consumer when bored

    I agree they are very nice and patient with n00bs, which is why I don’t like going there. It’s tough to get a quick answer for a specific question, e.g. how much are your memory upgrades for a MB? That took 10 times longer than it should have and required two geniuses. But they are very nice and good with people’s broken stuff. I think they must take crisis training b/c some of the people in there for help are ready to explode.

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  • http://oraclenerd.com/ chet

    I've got them mostly trained now. There was a time when I would remote into their computer, about once a month, but then that got difficult with the new wireless router and all.

    I would still like to get him on Ubuntu if only to keep him from just deleting programs.

  • http://oraclenerd.com/ chet

    I’ve got them mostly trained now. There was a time when I would remote into their computer, about once a month, but then that got difficult with the new wireless router and all.

    I would still like to get him on Ubuntu if only to keep him from just deleting programs.

    This comment was originally posted on Oracle AppsLab

  • http://twitter.com/osteinmeier osteinmeier

    I supported Win98 2nd Edition for a long time across the oceans. Nowadays it's a bit easier with XP, but I still get the occasional “the virus scanner detected a trojan, what do I do now?” or “Antivir says I need to upgrade, should I pay them?” calls.

    But overall it's been a pretty good experience. Never had to use the VNC server for remote login that I set up on their box (no, it's NOT auto-started). The really tricky part for me is to give instructions for a German language XP without having access to it. Those translations used by Microsoft aren't necessarily the most intuitive ones.

    I'd go with a Mac if there is no pre-existing Windows experience.

    Oh, and as a Californian, I don't pay sales tax to Amazon either :)

  • http://twitter.com/osteinmeier osteinmeier

    I supported Win98 2nd Edition for a long time across the oceans. Nowadays it’s a bit easier with XP, but I still get the occasional “the virus scanner detected a trojan, what do I do now?” or “Antivir says I need to upgrade, should I pay them?” calls.

    But overall it’s been a pretty good experience. Never had to use the VNC server for remote login that I set up on their box (no, it’s NOT auto-started). The really tricky part for me is to give instructions for a German language XP without having access to it. Those translations used by Microsoft aren’t necessarily the most intuitive ones.

    I’d go with a Mac if there is no pre-existing Windows experience.

    Oh, and as a Californian, I don’t pay sales tax to Amazon either

    This comment was originally posted on Oracle AppsLab

  • http://twitter.com/kottarainen Joonas Linkola

    My father has a long history with computers (in fact, the first PC *I* used was bought for “dad's work”), but more as a necessity to get things done than actually enjoying the whole computing experience. For years they had a PC which seemed to get slower on my each visit, a custom-built machine from some local basement-store.

    I finally convinced him to get a Mac, so he opted for the iMac last year as my mom insisted on not getting a laptop (as this would “make him take his work with him even to summer cottage”, as the sound reasoning went). I showed him a couple of OS X basics, like how to apply system updates and import photos to iPhoto. Mom and dad both seemed more than happy with the new machine and were very impressed with some of the out-of-the-box functionality (like iPhoto's slideshows). Dad was mostly concerned with compatibility with his old Word docs and what-not, but has been able to work things out with OpenOffice and other free alternatives. The biggest migration issue was getting his years worth of Outlook Express mails transferred to Mail.app.

    Migration issues aside, so far no real technical support has been required. In case there would be, I'd probably try remoting to his desktop and fixing the problem myself rather than trying to explain things on the phone like before (unless it was a network problem, of course).

  • http://twitter.com/kottarainen Joonas Linkola

    My father has a long history with computers (in fact, the first PC *I* used was bought for “dad’s work”), but more as a necessity to get things done than actually enjoying the whole computing experience. For years they had a PC which seemed to get slower on my each visit, a custom-built machine from some local basement-store.

    I finally convinced him to get a Mac, so he opted for the iMac last year as my mom insisted on not getting a laptop (as this would “make him take his work with him even to summer cottage”, as the sound reasoning went). I showed him a couple of OS X basics, like how to apply system updates and import photos to iPhoto. Mom and dad both seemed more than happy with the new machine and were very impressed with some of the out-of-the-box functionality (like iPhoto’s slideshows). Dad was mostly concerned with compatibility with his old Word docs and what-not, but has been able to work things out with OpenOffice and other free alternatives. The biggest migration issue was getting his years worth of Outlook Express mails transferred to Mail.app.

    Migration issues aside, so far no real technical support has been required. In case there would be, I’d probably try remoting to his desktop and fixing the problem myself rather than trying to explain things on the phone like before (unless it was a network problem, of course).

    This comment was originally posted on Oracle AppsLab

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    That would be funny. Would you give him root or not, probably not. I can see a bunch of headaches related to an inability to sudo. You could try “sudo make me a sandwich” on him.

  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    That would be funny. Would you give him root or not, probably not. I can see a bunch of headaches related to an inability to sudo. You could try “sudo make me a sandwich” on him.

    This comment was originally posted on Oracle AppsLab

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    Wow, international phone support would be even worse, especially for a version in another language.

    Re. sales tax, I don't pay it at all ever to anyone, even if they do get that legislation passed that closes the nexus loophole. Oregonians will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.

  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    Wow, international phone support would be even worse, especially for a version in another language.

    Re. sales tax, I don’t pay it at all ever to anyone, even if they do get that legislation passed that closes the nexus loophole. Oregonians will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.

    This comment was originally posted on Oracle AppsLab

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    There's that Outlook non-compatibility thing again. So not a fan.

    I really like the iMac we bought my wife, but my parents had the opposite requirement. They want portability, mainly so they can hide it away and not spoil the design aesthetics of their place, which makes sense I guess.

    Luckily, I have a clean slate. Nothing old to upgrade or port. This will be a true test of Mac's just works UX for brand new users. I'm a bit worried about how well it will translate for the uninitiated. We'll see.

  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    There’s that Outlook non-compatibility thing again. So not a fan.

    I really like the iMac we bought my wife, but my parents had the opposite requirement. They want portability, mainly so they can hide it away and not spoil the design aesthetics of their place, which makes sense I guess.

    Luckily, I have a clean slate. Nothing old to upgrade or port. This will be a true test of Mac’s just works UX for brand new users. I’m a bit worried about how well it will translate for the uninitiated. We’ll see.

    This comment was originally posted on Oracle AppsLab

  • megbear

    I tried to get my dad a Dell and sadly it kept giving him problems. We junked it and got him a mac and he is very happy. The Genius bar is the key, it's more comfortable for him to talk to someone in person and his problems get solved without me (w00t).

  • megbear

    I tried to get my dad a Dell and sadly it kept giving him problems. We junked it and got him a mac and he is very happy. The Genius bar is the key, it’s more comfortable for him to talk to someone in person and his problems get solved without me (w00t).

    This comment was originally posted on Oracle AppsLab

  • http://theappslab.com Jake

    In-person support is key, especially for people who prefer it to combing the interwebs for answers or asking in forums, Twitter, etc. My only question now is do I wait for a tablet . . . don't think they'd like one, but still, sounds like it would come with a data plan.

  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    In-person support is key, especially for people who prefer it to combing the interwebs for answers or asking in forums, Twitter, etc. My only question now is do I wait for a tablet . . . don’t think they’d like one, but still, sounds like it would come with a data plan.

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  • http://twitter.com/bex Brian Huff

    wiping the drive won’t help much… those tech guys are the ones with the un-eraser tools. o_O

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  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    To recover a reformatted drive? Even so, you run into an effort barrier, i.e. why recover a cleaned drive when you can snoop on someone else’s unprotected one?

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  • Gary

    “Personally, I would never take a machine in for overnight repair without wiping it clean first”. I did go through that exercise when I took a PC in for an upgrade. Full backup, erasing every personal file plus anywhere passwords may be stored, plus running an eraser program to REALLY wipe the space.
    Got the machine back, reloaded a bunch of stuff then found one of the USB ports wouldn’t work. Lucky it was just a disconnected cable I could do myself, as I didn’t want to go through that again.
    If they are real crooks (as opposed to just being nosy), duplicating even a formatted drive and scanning for something like a credit card number wouldn’t be too hard.
    Of course if it is broken (eg won’t boot) you may not be able to do that.

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  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    I’m sure some ring of data-stealing crooks who lifted personal passwords and information off of computers in for repair will eventually surface. Like I said to Bex, not being an easy target probably helps a lot, just like with botnet/virus/spyware. Being fully protected is unicorn, so why fool yourself?

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  • Jim

    I’m not too much of a techy, but my Dad often calls me for help on his PC. Usually the problem can be fixed by doing a quick search on Google, and I’m surprised that my Dad doesn’t do the same. Maybe it’s a confidence thing. Or maybe it’s easier to call me. I don’t mind anyway.

    Recently my PC died – the power supply unit blew up complete with fizzes, pops, bangs and smoke. Took it to a PC shop, who tried a new PSU, which went the same way. Bought a new PC, which had Vista on it. Wow! I was amazed at how bad (i.e. slow, sluggish etc. – looked pretty, didn’t do anything useful) that was. There was a downgrade to XP option there – tried that, and it was like a bad install of XP. Wiped everything, put a clean install of XP on it, and it was like new again.

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  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    Yeah, I wonder about why people don’t Google any and all PC issues. That’s my secret in many cases too. I think you’re right it’s a confidence thing, plus a bit of paranoia too, since the interwebs are a bad place with bad advice.

    Rich says Windows 7 is much better than Vista. If it weren’t such a pain, clean reinstalls should probably be done on Windows boxes every year, just to wipe the slate. Forget limping along with defragging and scanning.

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  • joel garry

    Why people don’t google any and all pc issues? Could it be because they suspect every top set of links found are come-ons for dysfunctional clean your registry and tune-your-pc ripoffs?

    Local Fry’s kept wife’s PC for over a month before “you need new motherboard.” New Dell laptop only a few dollars more, except stuck with non-XPable Vista.

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  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    You’re probably right. People are conditioned to avoid any and all PC-help from the interwebs. It’s a weird Catch-22. On the one hand, you’re afraid to update b/c it will mess w/your PC-chi, but on the other, you won’t get help from the best resource for fixing most issues b/c you’re paranoid about baddies who would mess w/your unpatched PC.

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  • Facebook User

    A Rupert Murdoch company concerned about snooping – well, I never….

    Usually, if I can’t fix it myself, then it’s probably time for a new machine. However, let’s put all this in perspective. How many times have you got your car back from the shop and it runs just as badly but the radio stations are all messed up and somebody’s put the Britney CD into the Kronos Quartet jewel case?

    That said, there are some professional operations out there, I think it all comes down to recommendations, gut feelings and making sure the guys working behind the counter look like the ones from the IT Crowd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9j80Jkc_A).

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  • http://theappslab.com/ Jake

    I’ve generally had pretty decent luck with auto repair shops, and now I know where my Britney CD went

    There are always good shops out there, which is why I asked about Yelp. That would be great for repair shops of all kinds. I can’t open that video, and now I’m curious.

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  • uvox

    Video is from the “IT Crowd” on youtube (”IT Crowd: truest moment ever!”) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9j80Jkc_A. It’s a comedy about two guys working in IT. Allegedly. Not sure if youtube allows global content anymore – should work (as I can see it going through a US proxy).

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